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What if a Priest Sins and Still Says Mass?

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As we all know, priests are not any more exempt from sin than the rest of us. But what happens if a priest does sin and then celebrates the Eucharist or other sacrament? Donate Monthly: https://www.patreon.com/BreakingInTheHabit One-time gifts: https://www.www.paypal.me/BITHMedia Blog: http://breakinginthehabit.org/ Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/CaseyOFM Twitter: https://twitter.com/CaseyOFM Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/caseyofm/
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Esteban Moeller (1 month ago)
what about the act of perfect contrition? say a priest calumniated half hour before Mass. cant he make an act of perfect contrition and say Mass in the state of grace, and go to confession later?
JediGamer 777 (1 month ago)
Nice!
Shirtless (3 months ago)
If a sinning priest destroyed the validity of the Mass and the Sacraments, that would mean there have been very few valid Masses or administrations of Sacraments in Pennsylvania for decades. Kudos to the grand jury for exposing the long-term corruption of the Catholic church in Pennsylvania, which appears to have been nothing more than a pedophile protection racket taking advantage of gullible sycophants. In what has become the standard damage-control response, Pope Francis has expressed shock and sorrow and is apologizing all over the place, but I think he is more concerned about the reputation of the church than he is about the welfare of Catholics. As the grand jury report demonstrates, the Vatican was aware of what was going on in Pennsylvania for years but covered it up. The root of the problem is the unnatural fixation on celibacy, which is not required by Scripture, and which was not mandatory until 1123. If the Roman Rite ordained married men as priests (which is routinely done in the Eastern Rites in communion with Rome), it would force the homosexual element out of the priesthood, since normal married men would not put up with it. As it stands now, a young man who realizes that he has a same sex orientation is attracted to the Roman Catholic priesthood. It is excellent cover, and if he becomes priest, he no longer will have to explain to his mother why he does not find a nice girl, settle down, and provide her with grandchildren. I do not mean to suggest that all homosexuals are pedophiles. Only a tiny minority are. But all of the pedophiles are homosexuals, otherwise we would be hearing about little girls too. In a way, I blame the Protestant Reformers of the 16th century as enablers in the clergy sex abuse scandal. They doubtless knew what was going on. Why do you think the first two changes they made was (a) allowing married men to be clergy and (b) eliminating the requirement that a child go into a dark room to "confess his sins" to a priest?
Fraevo10 (1 month ago)
What you said about Protestant Reformers makes no sense.
Breaking In The Habit (3 months ago)
There is a problem in asserting that because the victims are boys that the perpetrators are necessarily gay. This has been debunked by psychologists and the Church alike. Pedophilia is a disorder in which an adult engages in inappropriate sexual contact with a being unable to consent, reciprocate, or understand what is going on. It is an act of power dominance and has no mutuality or respect, and is incredibly distorted. This is not healthy behavior and it does not fit on the homosexuality/heterosexuality continuum. Further, many (if not most) pedophiles have been known to have adult heterosexual relationships. The data actually suggests the opposite of what you're saying. Now, as for ephebophilia, that is, sexual contact with a post-puberty minor, that is a different story and is much more often the result of distorted and repressed homosexual desire. We mustn't link the two together.
Steven Degli Angeli (5 months ago)
Can priests masturbate? Is it a sin?
Breaking In The Habit (5 months ago)
All sexual activity must be oriented towards two ends: 1) Unity in love, and 2) procreation. Masturbation does not satisfy either end, and so no Christian, Priest or lay, is allowed to masturbate.
Lucille Bonds (5 months ago)
Sundays and Holy Days of Obligation before Gospel venial sin, after Gospel mortal sin. Weekdays no sin.
Breaking In The Habit (5 months ago)
Lucille Bonds Like I said, that was often said to be the case, but it was never the case nor is it now the case.
Adque (7 months ago)
Thank You Deacon Casey! Btw, I'm calling you Deacon because I remember seeing a vid where you became a deacon...I hope I'm getting this right:) About this issue, apart matters of the intrinsic value and validity of the Mass, I'm curious though: we are to refrain from approaching Holy Communion if aware of grave sin. However, say a priest is in a state of mortal sin (or aware of having committed grave sin) but has duties to say Mass for his parish. When he celebrates Mass, he will have to receive the Blessed Sacrament. Will he be committing the sin condemned by St Paul in Corinthians? What should that priest do? A perfect act of contrition? What if he can't bring himself to make one?
Justin Howell (7 months ago)
Brother Casey U are a Godsend!
KOCOBO JE SRBIJA ! (8 months ago)
Wow ! In the coptic Orthodox and Coptic Catholicism , if a priest is aid to have sinned or if a pope or a patriach is around in the crowd , the bread is said to will be dissapear .
Meme (8 months ago)
I stand with Augustine.! Thank you.
Bob Loblawb (8 months ago)
Sin is sin you do not find mortal sins in the Bible but you do find it in the Roman Catholic churches , Ever wonder why?
Milkpaw (7 months ago)
Actually, mortal sin is explicitly in the Bible! "If you see any brother or sister commit a sin that is not mortal, you should pray and God will give them life. I refer to those whose sin is not mortal. There is a sin that is mortal. I am not saying that you should pray about that. All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that is not mortal." 1 John 5:16-17 We know which sins are mortal by relying on passages such as 1 Cor 6:9, Gal 5:19-21, Eph 5:3-6, the Ten Commandments, and the preaching of Jesus (especially the Sermon on the Mount).
Breaking In The Habit (8 months ago)
You also don't find a mention of the Trinity, the list of books included in the Bible, or a stance on abortion, but that doesn't mean that they aren't true. The Bible is codification of an already living and worshiping community, the community that chose (under divine inspiration) what should actually be included in the Bible. If there was an authority that put the Bible together, wouldn't that mean that there is truth beyond what is written in it?
Duchesse de Berne (9 months ago)
Please do more of these great videos explaining difficult questions
Sophia Rebeiro (9 months ago)
Thankyou dear bro.its very great to hear abt faith..
Frances Venezia (11 months ago)
Can I suggest more sacred intro music?
Willy (9 months ago)
+Frances Venezia It doesn't have to be, a music doesn't affect the content. If you want, you can download the video and add different music. For me, the music is fine, and there's no passsage forbid the use of worldly music for video.
Breaking In The Habit (11 months ago)
Frances Venezia Okay, well its clear that we have completely different world views and understandings of scripture. Peace and good to you in your life of Christ.
Frances Venezia (11 months ago)
Breaking In The Habit 2Timothy 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 5But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry. No, I didn't misinterpret what you said, and didn't quote a random OT text out of context. The satanic music you're playing in the video is at odds with the "religious" teaching your attempting to expound in your video. I've shown you from Holy Scripture, both Old and New that there is a sacred and there is a profane. You are trying to befuddle this original comment of mine by saying the OT passage is out of context when it is not. (Is the NT Scripture out of context as well?) I didn't watch the entire video but stopped when a second worldly song was played. I think you're heading in the wrong direction. You're basically telling people they can have Jesus AND the world. If that isn't confusing, and erroneous, I'm not sure what is. 2 Thessalonians 2:10 He will use every kind of evil deception to fool those on their way to destruction, because they refuse to LOVE and ACCEPT the TRUTH that would save them.
Breaking In The Habit (11 months ago)
Frances Venezia I believe you have misinterpreted much of what I have said. Let me try again. 1. The issue with the quote is that it refers to the Levitical priesthood, not priests in the Roman Catholic Church or another Christian sect. It’s commands are meant for a specific people, and to apply that to us just because it has the word “priest” in common (although, I am not a priest) is not how we read the Bible. 2. We do not live in a dualistic world. The language you speak of about “Christ’s world” and “Satan’s world” is not biblical. Satan does not have a world. Satan did not create anything. God is the creator and author of everyone and everything. Satan has no claim on anything or anyone, but rather, everything bears witness it God even if we distort it. 3. Being “profane” does not mean evil, it just means “unconsecrated” or ordinary. 4. Putting this altogether, to my original point, how do we draw such clear and distinct lines between what is sacred and what is profane? God is the creator of all and God’s presence is everywhere. While there might be objects and experiences that more assuredly reveal that presence (the Eucharist) how could we ever say that something is devoid of God’s presence? The problem I’m trying to address is that people think that the only place we can find God and the only place to pray is in a designated building called a Church. Is God not in Jack in the Box? Can you not pray at Pizza Hut? A clear, dualistic distinction between sacred and profane puts God into a little box and sets boundaries for God that God doesn’t make. Gregorian chant and “sacred” music is nice, but rock music can just as effectively lead us to God, and yet it is much more appealing and more widely liked, and so it serves as a good intro for me.
Frances Venezia (11 months ago)
Breaking In The Habit 2 Corinthians 6: 3 We put no stumbling block in anyone’s path, so that our ministry will not be discredited.  So, according to you, there is no difference between what is profane (common) versus what is holy? Just because something is in the Old Testament doesn't necessarily mean it's spiritually outdated. (Not committing murder and adultery is also in the Old Testament. Should we forsake those commandments as well?) If there is no difference between the two, then why join an religious order in the first place? Why not pray at Pizza Hut, or hear confession at Jack-in-the-Box? You're trying to mix two worlds together, Satan's and Christ's, that don't belong together. Even Christ differentiates between clean and unclean. It's obvious to me that you're just "playing church", the same way some unmarried couples "play house". 2 Corinthians 6:14 Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? 15What harmony is there between Christ and Belialb ? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? 16What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: “I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people.”c17Therefore, “Come out from them and be separate, says the Lord. Touch no UNCLEAN thing, and I will receive you.”d 18And, “I will be a Father to you, and you will be my sons and daughters, says the Lord
Shield Army (11 months ago)
They won’t be in trouble.They simply confess.Everyone has sin.Mortal sin.Maybe has to be fired from their parish.
Fr Louie Goad (1 year ago)
Do you know who made the altar bread and wine? Made by s sinner? Does it null the Mass? "No" We know not who made the bread and wine Jesus gave to the apostles.
TheGuardian (1 year ago)
This question has tortured me quite long. Thank you for finally giving peace!
Breaking In The Habit (1 year ago)
Happy to help!
Philip Mahoney-Berg (1 year ago)
Under English law this could be the crime of Fraud by Misrepresentation.
Philip Mahoney-Berg (1 year ago)
Hmm - your comment is interesting and thought provoking; thank you for replying.
Breaking In The Habit (1 year ago)
I think there might be a misunderstanding here. The priest does not absolve sins because he is sinless. Jesus is the high priest that absolves sins, and his servants on earth, priests, who are all sinners because all people are sinners, facilitate this. The state of a priest's sins are thus irrelevant and not a fraud (he doesn't claim to be sinless, only Jesus).
Philip Mahoney-Berg (1 year ago)
Well if a priest were a sinner, he'd be fraudulent if he tried to absolve other people of sins as he wouldn't be qualified and therefore would be doing something in bad faith and / or illegally without declaring his own true status.
Breaking In The Habit (1 year ago)
What could?
cherie plante (1 year ago)
((((Brother))))) Thank you so much for this, it's great to hear about the faith from a fresh voice. I don't think a person who sins under duress is necessarily guilty, but as you might be aware there is a certain cardinal from Boston whose sins are monstrous and not committed under duress. Isn't this kind of sin the kind that crosses the line and causes the faithful to waver? Yikes, sorry to be so morbid but I do carry this question around I haven't heard anything that explains that cardinals situation.
cherie plante (1 year ago)
Thank you for your prompt reply, this question is usually handled like Kryptonite! Your last sentence frames my dilemma perfectly. May God bless and keep you.
Breaking In The Habit (1 year ago)
The cardinal I believe you're talking about has been the center of a lot of attention in recent years. I cannot, obviously, speak to whether he committed monstrous sins or the state of his soul, but I think the point of this video still applies: if he did, the sacraments he celebrated are still valid, and he will have to account for his actions before God. On a different note, if he did commit such sins, it is the responsibility of the Church to act accordingly, removing him from office and turning him over to the authorities.
Daniel Jackson (1 year ago)
Interesting, though there is a question I'm left wondering: if a priest commits mortal sin, and is obligated to say mass later that day, and has no opportunity for confession, what happens? He can still licitly consecrate the host, but is the mass valid if he doesn't consume the Eucharist?
Daniel Jackson (1 year ago)
Breaking In The Habit I see, thank you.
Breaking In The Habit (1 year ago)
I think you have your terminology backwards. Valid refers to the efficacy of the sacrament and licit refers to the legal right to celebrate it. The priest can illicitly celebrate the mass (he is technically forbidden to do so in such a state) but the mass is still valid because it is God's holiness, not the priest's, that determines the efficacy of the sacrament. In such a case, though, depending on how strong the obligation is, how impossible it is to go to confession, I'm not sure if there is an alternative course of action in canon law. There might be, but I'm not sure.
John King (1 year ago)
I just want to say how refreshing it is to have you, a young man of faith, explaining your faith to so many people in a concise and open, warm way. I hope more people will view your videos and understand Catholicism. I am from the Anglican tradition, and I have found your videos very informative and enjoyable to watch. Thank You.
Breaking In The Habit (1 year ago)
Thanks! Peace and good to you!
Blessed Mother (1 year ago)
Excellent explaination.
Francisco (1 year ago)
Excellent! The Lord gave me so much faith in priest who live according to the form of the holy Roman Church, on account of their order, that if they should persecute me, I would still turn to them.( Testament of Holy Father Francis)
Gabe Lane (1 year ago)
Can u do a video on catholics opinions on islam and tell y catholcism is the right path
Blessed Mother (1 year ago)
Hello Gabe, In brief: Jesus is the God of the universe and the Catholic Church is the unbroken church that He establishsed; Jesus promised the gates of hell would never prevail against it, and that is a promise that continues to this day and forever. :)
Deo Gratias (1 year ago)
Gabe Lane be sure to also check out catholic.com for even more Catholic knowledge
ghostlylover99123 (1 year ago)
I always thought that a priest would do his own confession and do amends for it, heck we all screw up now and again.
Kim Anthony Faderon (1 year ago)
Thank you very much, Brother.
thepowderriverfarrier (1 year ago)
Your reminder of ex opere operator Christi for Roman Catholics is welcomed. It is refreshingly close to our Orthodox approach.
Aphelele Ndzimande (1 year ago)
This is powerful thank
Aphelele Ndzimande (1 year ago)
This is powerful thank you
PhatCrayonz (1 year ago)
Yup.
jechuyguti (1 year ago)
Thank you.. it is so helpful to know.

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